Protect or Shield of Protection for sword main (and maniac) ?

My personal thoughts are:

PvE: Shield of Protection can save your life much more than Protection, especially against sniping monsters.
But much less than a good gear. I saw your character has mainly +0 conqueror gear. Defense increases a lot with enchants (in particular armors), and reduces damage as well. And with a high defense, the Protection's defense becomes less interesting - and now Strength increases Defense too.
By the way, I saw you already have a Prophet with Concentrate level 60, which heals very well at the beginning of each turn. So SoP appears as a better complement.

PvP: I don't know at all. They changed so many things with the last patch (how magic works - including the healing - the defense, etc) that only experts who PvP a lot since last patch could answer you.

Thanks a lot, that was an interesting and clarifying comment.

I think I'll stick with SoP then, also for my future maniac. =)

About the +0 gear, it's only "temporary". I mean I recently started getting my first conqueror boxes not so long ago with the Constantinople questing (haven't been that lucky with De Mere =p ), so I'm impatiently waiting for the next same pieces of equipment to enchant them. I'd rather not try enhancing costly items, and I'm not rich enough to begin Ori enhancing, I'll keep that for the freezing gear.
Otherwise, don't worry, I usually travel with +3 armors when possible =)

Shield of protection pve and pvp. The shield heals you when u take non magic domage, for a first line main of course ^^

SoP is a very popular choice. But you also should consider Protect.

I'm an axe main and in my formation i tank in front. My other char (cannon main) uses SoP which helps as well. Don't get me wrong! I love SoP, it never failed me, but my axe main + protect has been proving its worth as of late. I FL heavily with my axe and here's what i noticed.

While SoP pretty much reduces physical attacks to 0, my (cannon) main would succumb to aoe spells. While my oracle is busy healing, i have to give my main extra attention. Protect on the other hand, heals every round, magic and non magic. After getting hit by flame sword, light spear, and getting hit by a cannon round, the protect heals it straight up when its my turn to dish out some hurting. That's something SoP can't give you. You'll take the flame sword hit, the light spear, but heal the cannon shot. IMO, i prefer Protect for a tanking main.

This might change however once i see Protect + Concentrate do compared to SoP + Concentrate. I'll let you know. :)

Moral of the story is, do what you think is best for YOUR form. and don't be scared to spend a little to explore. :)

"More debating" indeed =)

I also agree with what you're saying and the fact that protect provides a heal, even after when being hit by magic.
And, particularly in FL, it's more often than not skill attack after skill attack.
But I don't FL that often either.

Being a sword main though, I take the AoE and magic hits without too many problems, and concentrate maxed helps a lot.

Thanks for your input.

One other thing you should note, about Protection- it also eats up your mana fairly fast. The monk will cast it every round, whether you are injured or not. Unless Shield normally gets cast more than once in a round, you will be using mana faster with protection.

Yes, Protect eats up the Monk's mana pool faster, just like the Prophet's Concentrate. What makes it worth it, is that the melee take damage as much as possible. It's their job to soak it up.

This is why my axe frontlines, to maximise the mana drain on the monk. I WANT them to hit me. Hehe.

The only problem (if it is one, or just bad judgement) is that Snipe builds will capitalize on Protect and are a horrible fail with SoP.

But yeah, in FL terms, its skill after skill after skill.

Yes Kevlar, that's one of the reasons I took SoP too, because protect would be used whether you got hit or not. Not being frontline, my main doesn't get hit each round. But I think that if I went frontline, against 3 mobs, the mana would be drained even faster than with protect, with multiple attacks each turn =p

Still sticking with SoP though =)

IMO, SoP is better for front-lining mains who are going to be hit often by physical attacks, and Protect is better for non-front-lining mains who are going to be hit more often by magical attacks.

I got a question. I've been away from AO all week, and won't be able to get back to it till Saturday. Does SoP activate under Holy Guard? I never noticed or paid attention.

Coz if it does i'm jumping back on the SoP bandwagon.....

Um, not sure, but normally it shouldn't, since it's supposed to block all skills.
But neither will protect.

Yeah ok. I get paranoid sometimes like that.

Thanks :)

Ok i wanted to avoid creating a new thread so i resurrected this one.

I recently switched to SoP from Protect, because i was being sniped alot in FL. w00t i thought.

Ok used decrease books and got SoP. Great i thought.. I HG front line and soak up the physical with my SoP. Took some damage, rotated to the back.

And then the end game DOTS got me. My monk is sitting there with 3/4 mana while my main who's back in front is ignored and the DOTS slowly kill me. I lost that fight.

More fuel to the fire i guess. I put a vik on the front line so I remain 2nd/3rd row. But a couple of aoe's and a busy shaman makes me miss Protect.

Comments?

Being a Swordmain TWICE (quit at 107 and came back and made a new swordmain), I use Protect. I always frontline and never die unless I'm the only one remaining (PvE). True, Monk's mana suffers with Protect each turn whether needed or not, but it would take a lot more mana if I used SoP since frontlining means you get hit more. In boss fights, Protect helps more since after a boss's AoE, Protect will heal you afterwards. Always have mana potions on your Monk. Also, with good equipment, a Monk right behind you, and Oracle/Shaman on last row, you'll outlive most PvE scenarios even if you three are the only ones left. In many cases, all my mercs have died but Monk and Shaman - no problem. I attack and tank with my main, awaken with Monk, and attack and heal (when necessary) with my Shaman. Survived many 3-v-1 Shadow Dungeons like this. Using SoP in that case would have my Monk's mana down so quick, I'd be stunned and dead before you knew it. So Protect > SoP in PvE.

In PvP, same thing. Frontlining means you'll be getting hit more so Monk's mana will be drained leaving you wide open to stun and DoT. With Protect's extra Defense, you'll be a better tank. With its heal, you'll be healing long after magic skills were used to spike you. In several cases, people will try to spike your main since it's frontlined and they'll think "After he moves it back, I'll just finish him off with sniping," but fear not. Once your health is below half, you should move back (third row preferably so skills like Hex of Darkness/Light Slash/etc etc won't reach you). A regular heal from your Shaman/Oracle will keep you alive along with Monk's Protect. At this point, you shouldn't worry about Monk's mana. An FL battle rarely ever goes long and fast enough to drain all of your Monk's mana. I've outlived many full-health opponents while my main was in his 'weakened' animation when FL end-game damage started up. If your opponent isn't spiking you, Protect vs SoP won't matter.

If your melee main will not be frontlining (which I don't see why it wouldn't be with all of Protect's benefits), then SoP may in fact be the better choice in Main/Monk relations.

Just thought I'd leave this comment here for those who stumble across this old page as I did.

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